純美蘋果園
TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 3版 討論區 => 主题作者是: 古利格利 于 2024-07-08, 周一 22:30:52
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单手握持单手武器时将其切换为双手使用，是什么动作？双手握持单手武器切换为单手使用呢？
双手武器换成用单手提着是什么动作？
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自由动作 借机攻击 页码
拿出物品（22） 否
22 你可以将包括你携带着（不是穿戴着并提供盾牌加值）的盾牌在内任何你携带着的物品扔下，扔到你所占用的空间或一个邻接的方格。
拿着的东西扔下是自由，放开武器和松手差不多，也应该是自由，双切单不就是松一只手？
单手切换成双手我记得有认为是移动？换手是移动动作，将另一只松开的手在握回来我觉得也应该是移动。
移动动作 借机攻击 页码
控制非战斗用坐骑（DC20骑术检定） 是 88
匍匐移动5尺（10） 是 91
指明或更改法术目标 否 134
擒抱中拔出轻型武器（11） 否 61
拔出武器（12） 否 -
伏击后隐蔽（Hide after sniping？） 否 92
装填手弩，轻弩或投石索（13） 是 -
做侦查或聆听检定 否 114
乘上坐骑或下坐骑 否 88
移动（14） 是 90
指出踪迹的方向 否 115
开或关门 否 -
捡起物品 是 -
推或拉动重物 是 47
准备或放下盾牌（15） 否 -
取出存储中的物品（Retrieve stored item？） 是 -
收起武器 是 -
鞭策坐骑 否 89
从俯卧中站起 是 35
交换持物的手 否 -
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自由动作。
faq：
Can a character with Quick Draw and a base attack
bonus of +6 or better make a melee attack with one weapon
and a ranged attack with another weapon in the same
round? What if the melee weapon requires two hands to
wield?
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This situation is actually improved if the melee weapon is a
two-handed weapon. A character can hold a two-handed
weapon in one hand; he just can’t attack with it while it’s held
like that. Thus, he wouldn’t even have to drop the weapon in
order to draw and throw the dagger. If Krusk the 6th-level
barbarian had Quick Draw, he could swing his greataxe (using
his full base attack bonus), then leave the axe in his off-hand
while drawing a javelin with his primary hand (free action), and
finally throw the javelin (using his base attack bonus –5). If
Krusk were drawing a ranged weapon that required two hands
to use (such as a bow), he’d have to drop his greataxe.
Can a creature make a slam or claw attack when both
his hands are used for something else, such as holding a
two-handed weapon?
As long as the creature can easily let go with one hand, yes.
A two-handed weapon requires two hands to wield in combat,
but not to hold. A frost giant could choose to make a slam
attack instead of a greataxe attack without having to drop the
greataxe.
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自由动作。
faq：
Can a character with Quick Draw and a base attack
bonus of +6 or better make a melee attack with one weapon
and a ranged attack with another weapon in the same
round? What if the melee weapon requires two hands to
wield?
...
This situation is actually improved if the melee weapon is a
two-handed weapon. A character can hold a two-handed
weapon in one hand; he just can’t attack with it while it’s held
like that. Thus, he wouldn’t even have to drop the weapon in
order to draw and throw the dagger. If Krusk the 6th-level
barbarian had Quick Draw, he could swing his greataxe (using
his full base attack bonus), then leave the axe in his off-hand
while drawing a javelin with his primary hand (free action), and
finally throw the javelin (using his base attack bonus –5). If
Krusk were drawing a ranged weapon that required two hands
to use (such as a bow), he’d have to drop his greataxe.
Can a creature make a slam or claw attack when both
his hands are used for something else, such as holding a
two-handed weapon?
As long as the creature can easily let go with one hand, yes.
A two-handed weapon requires two hands to wield in combat,
but not to hold. A frost giant could choose to make a slam
attack instead of a greataxe attack without having to drop the
greataxe.
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双手武器切成单手拿着是自由，但是拿着切回双手还是没提…
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松手是自由动作。如果一只空手去和另一只持械手共同装备武器看作是拔出/捡起武器的话，那就移动动作。
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实际上SCP有一条贤者问答指出仍旧是自由动作，但国内圈子更早之前就意识到这样会引起动作经济学的漏洞，所以普遍房规用移动动作来弥补这个漏洞
两者当然都没有强制力，取决于DM怎么想
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不止动作经济学的问题，也是会让武器姿势及类似资源尴尬。我能施法时双手切单手满足姿势条件再砍，我为什么要花专长。
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没事，双手不要我们双武器要（
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子虚不是说2个都是自由吗
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CM那个武器姿势就是假装资源的判例，是专门来给玩家添堵用的
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添堵可还行2333
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放手和握回去都是自由动作，武器姿势可以给剑盾双武器那种没法换手的用的
Suppose Gruntharg the barbarian carries a longspear and wears spiked gauntlets. He has a throwing axe at his belt. He encounters two orcs 60 feet away and wins initiative. For his action, Gruntharg draws the axe and moves and also readies an action to throw the axe at any orc that comes within 15 feet. The orcs charge. As soon as the first orc gets within 15 feet, Gruntharg throws the axe and kills that orc. After throwing the axe, is Gruntharg assumed to be carrying and wielding the longspear in both hands? Thus, does he get an attack of opportunity as the surviving orc passes from 10 feet away from him to 5 feet away? (Gruntharg does not possess the Monkey Grip feat from Sword and Fist.) If not, what are the rules for going from a one-handed (or carrying) grip to a two-handed grip for a weapon, and what kind of action is it to change this grip? Now suppose Gruntharg has the longspear in both hands when a spellcaster 5 feet away from him starts casting a spell. The longspear does not threaten the spellcaster because it’s a reach weapon and the spellcaster is too close. Can Gruntharg just let go of the longspear and smack the spellcaster with his spiked gauntlet? What kind of action is it to let go of a two-handed weapon with only one hand?
Gruntharg’s action in the first example (throwing the readied axe) is possible. Presumably, Gruntharg holds the longspear in one hand, perhaps letting the shaft rest on his shoulder, or perhaps just letting the butt drag on the ground. This arrangement leaves one hand free to draw the throwing axe while moving, which Gruntharg can manage because he has at least a +1 base attack bonus. (Even a 1st-level barbarian has a +1 base attack bonus.) As a general rule, if you’re big enough to wield a weapon in two hands, you can just carry it(somehow) with one hand.
The second example (an attack of opportunity against the second orc) is not possible. Holding a two-handed weapon is not the same as wielding the weapon. If Gruntharg wants to use that longspear he has been holding on his shoulder or dragging on the ground, he has to get his free hand on it. This maneuver is similar to drawing the weapon, but a little easier, since Gruntharg already has one hand on it. Therefore, it’s a free action. But Gruntharg can do this only during his own turn, and in any case, he does not threaten an area with the longspear
when he’s holding it in only one hand.
The third example (smacking the spellcaster with the gauntlet) is not possible as described. A spiked gauntlet is a melee weapon, and Gruntharg threatens the area around him with it, but only when he has that hand free. In the example, Gruntharg is holding the longspear with that hand, not wielding the gauntlet. He could indeed just let go of the longspear with one hand; this maneuver is the equivalent of dropping the weapon, even though he is still holding onto it with the other hand. Dropping a weapon is a free action, but you can use free actions only on your own turn. Gruntharg could shift the spear to one hand as a free action at the end of his turn, leaving one hand free to threaten the area around him with the spiked gauntlet, but then he would not threaten any area with the longspear
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放手和握回去都是自由动作，武器姿势可以给剑盾双武器那种没法换手的用的
请问这一大段英文是在哪看到的？
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理论来说都是自由动作。这点没有明说但是FAQ里有范例。以上那段英文应该是摘自 3rd Ed. FAQ, p. 40
一般来说DM不想PC因为这点烂的话，只要房规一下一轮内单双手切换次数就行了。
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理论来说都是自由动作。这点没有明说但是FAQ里有范例。以上那段英文应该是摘自 3rd Ed. FAQ, p. 40
一般来说DM不想PC因为这点烂的话，只要房规一下一轮内单双手切换次数就行了。
问个问题就是3e的贤者问答能管到3r吗？还是说不分3e和3r？
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后者如果没有新的覆盖就继续沿用啊，3r书里一堆指向3e的，比如霜燃书的载具部分直接让你去看3e的装备指南的载具战斗规则