作者 主题: 德鲁伊通过自然变身变成巨章鱼从而获得全回合打8次触手的操作合理么?  (阅读 8426 次)

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BTW, James Jacobs Creative Director   Sep 14, 2012, 11:42 am
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The part of the giant squid that grants it the ability to breathe water is its aquatic subtype. The part that makes it not able to breathe air is the lack of the amphibious quality.

A druid uses wildshape to turn into a giant squid functions as beast shape III.

Beast shape III does not grant the Aquatic subtype or the amphibious ability.

Beast shape III DOES allow the user to gain the squid's swim speed (although not at speed 90, the spell's max, but at speed 60, the squid's swim speed).

Now, looking back at the base polymorph rules on page 211, we see that, "if the form grants a swim...speed, you maintain the ability to breathe if you are swimming..." That means that while you're swimming, you can, essentially, breathe water. It does not remove your ability to breathe air if you normally breathe air.

Therefore, a STRICT by-the-rules reading in this case informs us that if you wildshape into a giant squid, you can breathe water ONLY WHILE SWIMMING (not if you're floating in the water, as if when stunned or paralyzed or unconscious), and can breathe air normally.

Frankly, that super-strict by-the-rules reading is wacky. I think that the easiest solution is to just allow the aquatic subtype to apply when needed, and to add amphibious to the list of powers granted. After all... that's the WHOLE INTENDED POINT of the various polymorph spells. If beast shape III can grant more powerful effects like blindsense, flight, poison, pounce, and the like... allowing it to also grant the Aquatic subtype and the amphibious special quality is hardly over-the-top. Of course... in that case, your giant squid WOULD end up having to hold its breath when fighting out of water or risk suffocation, but I think that's actually kind of cool and interesting.

(Bonus Round: The reason "amphibious" isn't mentioned on the beast shape lists is that the amphibious special quality didn't really gel and propagate into the Bestiary until very late... at a point AFTER the Core Rulebook was finalized. This is the same reason there's weird disconnects between how horses are presented in the two books, or why early printings of the Core Rulebook had a few weird errors on the summon lists.)

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事实上你用武僧疾风JJ连击或者屁股连击的话,配上天武的次数是最多的。。。
武僧拿变巨了的天武疾风啊。。。拿个专长就行了。
我意思是拿变巨了的天武去全回合

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根据JJ很久以前律的规则,变个大章鱼最次最次的情况下憋个气就可以了,PFS里可以直接得到空气呼吸能力

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另外我楼上这个一边看不惯别人律规则抠字眼,一边抠我字眼抠得挺开心的?

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这三句话讲了三个东西,不是云玩家都能看出来好吧!
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总之就是可以变章鱼,还可以拿天界模板破鞋。但是我还是要说变章鱼不 太厉害

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我意思是拿变巨了的天武去全回合。BTW主要天武打不了8次,目前来看最多是6次。
最多6次的限定在哪里?我找了一下没看到。
下辈子一定要当个蛮子,免得想太多。
帕拉丁冲锋破鞋必出1,这是一种真理
每当我出carry的时候总有人抢中路,每当我出辅助的时候总让我去中单
自从当了DM,豁免骰那是一个比一个大……
[21:54] <玛多卡> .r d20+13 出1我就掀桌
[21:54] <DnDBot> 玛多卡 投擲 出1我就掀桌: 1d20+13=(1)+13=14